Die US-Präsidentschaftswahlen

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    • Ich denke, dieser Moore war so schlau, die Dinge die er in diesem Film gebracht, auch belegen zu können. Ich bin ganz sicher, wenn es nicht auf Tatsachen beruhren würde, dann wäre der Film verboten worden. Und was hätte er dazu sagen sollen? Es hätte ihn nur tiefer reingerissen.

      Genutzt hat es ja eh nicht, wie man an den Wahlergebnissen sieht, Bush wird wohl wiedergewählt werden, wenn auch dieses mal wieder vermutlich mit Tricks und Manipulationen. Wenn Amerika noch einmal bei irgendeinem Land Wahlbeobachter schickt, dann sollte man sie gleich zum Teufel jagen, die sollen sich erst mal um ihr eigenes System kümmern, das ist ja ein Witz!
    • Im Internet sah eben die Gruppe die gewählt hat anders aus als letztlich bei der Wahl. zB. werden die "Internetwähler" jünger und "demokratischer" gewesen sein... ;)
      “Wer grundlegende Freiheiten aufgibt, um vorübergehend ein wenig Sicherheit zu gewinnen, verdient weder Freiheit noch Sicherheit.”
      Benjamin Franklin
    • Der Spiegel beschwerte sich über die Ruhe von Michael Moore. Das trudelte eben in meinem Briefkasten ein.

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      “Wer grundlegende Freiheiten aufgibt, um vorübergehend ein wenig Sicherheit zu gewinnen, verdient weder Freiheit noch Sicherheit.”
      Benjamin Franklin
    • Vorhin trudelte eine aktuelle Mail ein.

      11/5/04

      Dear Friends,

      Ok, it sucks. Really sucks. But before you go and cash it all in, let's, in
      the words of Monty Python, 'always look on the bright side of life!' There
      IS some good news from Tuesday's election.

      Here are 17 reasons not to slit your wrists:

      1. It is against the law for George W. Bush to run for president again.

      2. Bush's victory was the NARROWEST win for a sitting president since
      Woodrow Wilson in 1916.

      3. The only age group in which the majority voted for Kerry was young adults
      (Kerry: 54%, Bush: 44%), proving once again that your parents are always
      wrong and you should never listen to them.

      4. In spite of Bush's win, the majority of Americans still think the
      country is headed in the wrong direction (56%), think the war wasn't worth fighting (51%), and don't approve of the job George W. Bush is doing (52%). (Note to foreigners: Don't try to figure this one out. It's an American thing, like Pop Tarts.)

      5. The Republicans will not have a filibuster-proof 60-seat majority in the
      Senate. If the Democrats do their job, Bush won't be able to pack the
      Supreme Court with right-wing ideologues. Did I say "if the Democrats do
      their job?" Um, maybe better to scratch this one.

      6. Michigan voted for Kerry! So did the entire Northeast, the birthplace of
      our democracy. So did 6 of the 8 Great Lakes States. And the whole West
      Coast! Plus Hawaii. Ok, that's a start. We've got most of the fresh water,
      all of Broadway, and Mt. St. Helens. We can dehydrate them or bury them in
      lava. And no more show tunes!

      7. Once again we are reminded that the buckeye is a nut, and not just any
      old nut -- a poisonous nut. A great nation was felled by a poisonous nut.
      May Ohio State pay dearly this Saturday when it faces Michigan.

      8. 88% of Bush's support came from white voters. In 50 years, America will
      no longer have a white majority. Hey, 50 years isn't such a long time! If
      you're ten years old and reading this, your golden years will be truly
      golden and you will be well cared for in your old age.

      9. Gays, thanks to the ballot measures passed on Tuesday, cannot get married
      in 11 new states. Thank God. Just think of all those wedding gifts we won't
      have to buy now.

      10. Five more African Americans were elected as members of Congress,
      including the return of Cynthia McKinney of Georgia. It's always good to
      have more blacks in there fighting for us and doing the job our candidates
      can't.

      11. The CEO of Coors was defeated for Senate in Colorado. Drink up!

      12. Admit it: We like the Bush twins and we don't want them to go away.

      13. At the state legislative level, Democrats picked up a net of at least 3
      chambers in Tuesday's elections. Of the 98 partisan-controlled state
      legislative chambers (house/assembly and senate), Democrats went into the
      2004 elections in control of 44 chambers, Republicans controlled 53
      chambers, and 1 chamber was tied. After Tuesday, Democrats now control 47
      chambers, Republicans control 49 chambers, 1 chamber is tied and 1 chamber
      (Montana House) is still undecided.

      14. Bush is now a lame duck president. He will have no greater moment than
      the one he's having this week. It's all downhill for him from here on out --
      and, more significantly, he's just not going to want to do all the hard work
      that will be expected of him. It'll be like everyone's last month in 12th
      grade -- you've already made it, so it's party time! Perhaps he'll treat the
      next four years like a permanent Friday, spending even more time at the
      ranch or in Kennebunkport. And why shouldn't he? He's already proved his
      point, avenged his father and kicked our ass.

      15. Should Bush decide to show up to work and take this country down a very
      dark road, it is also just as likely that either of the following two
      scenarios will happen: a) Now that he doesn't ever need to pander to the
      Christian conservatives again to get elected, someone may whisper in his ear
      that he should spend these last four years building "a legacy" so that
      history will render a kinder verdict on him and thus he will not push for
      too aggressive a right-wing agenda; or b) He will become so cocky and
      arrogant -- and thus, reckless -- that he will commit a blunder of such
      major proportions that even his own party will have to remove him from
      office.

      16. There are nearly 300 million Americans -- 200 million of them of voting
      age. We only lost by three and a half million! That's not a landslide -- it
      means we're almost there. Imagine losing by 20 million. If you had 58 yards
      to go before you reached the goal line and then you barreled down 55 of
      those yards, would you stop on the three yard line, pick up the ball and go
      home crying -- especially when you get to start the next down on the three
      yard line? Of course not! Buck up! Have hope! More sports analogies are
      coming!!!

      17. Finally and most importantly, over 55 million Americans voted for the
      candidate dubbed "The #1 Liberal in the Senate." That's more than the total
      number of voters who voted for either Reagan, Bush I, Clinton or Gore.
      Again, more people voted for Kerry than Reagan. If the media are looking for
      a trend it should be this -- that so many Americans were, for the first time
      since Kennedy, willing to vote for an out-and-out liberal. The country has
      always been filled with evangelicals -- that is not news. What IS news is
      that so many people have shifted toward a Massachusetts liberal. In fact,
      that's BIG news. Which means, don't expect the mainstream media, the ones
      who brought you the Iraq War, to ever report the real truth about November
      2, 2004. In fact, it's better that they don't. We'll need the element of
      surprise in 2008.

      Feeling better? I hope so. As my friend Mort wrote me yesterday, "My
      Romanian grandfather used to say to me, 'Remember, Morton, this is such a
      wonderful country -- it doesn't even need a president!'"

      But it needs us. Rest up, I'll write you again tomorrow.

      Yours,

      Michael Moore
      MMFlint@aol.com
      michaelmoore.com
      “Wer grundlegende Freiheiten aufgibt, um vorübergehend ein wenig Sicherheit zu gewinnen, verdient weder Freiheit noch Sicherheit.”
      Benjamin Franklin
    • Ich habe gerade ein [URL=http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/inhalt/0,1518,326735,00.html]Interview[/URL] des Spiegels mit David Frum, Redenschreiber für George W. Bush, gelesen - und ich fasse noch immer noch nicht ganz, was da steht.

      << Das Ergebnis ist, dass Teheran beim Lügen erwischt wurde. Jetzt steht die Welt, besonders Europa, vor der Frage, was geschehen soll. >>
      Aha. Teheran wurde also beim Lügen erwischt. Was passierte denn mit der US-Regierung, als sie beim Lügen erwischt wurde? Und warum schiebt er nun Europa vors Loch?

      << Iran sollte die Botschaft verstanden haben: Amerikanische Drohungen sind ernst gemeint. >>
      Das ist nach dem Einmarsch der US-Truppen im Irak nur allzu klar.

      << Der Terrorkrieg, den Arafat begonnen hat, endet jetzt in einem großen Sieg Israels. >>
      Das ist eine ungeheuerliche Verzerrung der Wahrheit - hatte Frum nicht gerade noch die iranische Regierung der Lüge bezichtigt? Aber es lügen ja immer nur die anderen.

      Auf die Feststellung, daß die Europäer den USA wie nie zuvor misstrauen, wird sofort die (angebliche) Feindschaft einiger Regierungschefs ins Feld geführt. Vielleicht sollte man den Herrn daran erinnern, daß die meisten westeuropäischen Staaten Mitglied der NATO und damit Bündnispartner sind - also weder Befehlsempfänger und ausführendes Organ von Bushs Gnaden noch Feinde, die man bekämpfen muß!

      Diese Argumentation (wer sich nicht bedingungslos unterordnet, ist unser Feind) halte ich für ebenso gefährlich wie verwerflich. Da frage ich mich doch ernsthaft, wer die Animositäten zwischen den USA und Europa witer schürt - und wie das die nächsten vier Jahre weitergehen soll.
      Gibt es schließlich eine bessere Form, mit dem Leben fertig zu werden, als mit Liebe und Humor?
      Charles Dickens